Mythbusters did a show on this a while back. Let's just say their results were less than stunning. Basically the amount of energy needed to split the H20 into Hydrogen/Oxygen is more then the energy you get back buy burning the Hydrogen.
So many pedals, so little time...
Posts: 3789 | Location: San Diego, CA USofA | Registered: December 19, 2001
the amount of energy needed to split the H20 into Hydrogen/Oxygen is more then the energy you get back buy burning the Hydrogen.
This is exactly right. It's thermodynamically stupid. Unless maybe you're getting the excess energy from a renewable source like wind or hydro power, you're no further advanced.
There's a whole lot of people talking about doing something and very few people qualified to actually do anything. The one who wrote the third article is a child; maybe in junior college but definitely not an engineer.
Ethanol is not a real advantage either. It jsut sounds "green". I did a study on it last year and found the amount of CO2 it produces is astronomical, especially when you consider the transportation involved.
"far more safer"
We're not even close to a solution on this. I feel like God is letting us extinguish ourselves. There's a scary future ahead full of tough adjustments and the greed of humans is going to make for a lot of suffering no doubt. Prominent countries risk not benig able to adapt because the basis for their affluence has an infrastructure which will not change easily.
The issue is something I take to heart because I believe it will take engineers to fix this problem -we're the ones that created the problem (or at least supersized it). The sad thing is, whoever does come up with a solution will want to market the technology and try and get rich.
The other obvious problem with ethanol is that we're burning food to get to the mall. The end result is an 80% increase in food prices globally in the past year, and climbing. The internal combustion engine is going to be the Easter Island stone head that ends up being both the cause and symbol of our extinction.
That said, Iceland has apparently pretty much completed the switch from fossil fuels to hydrogen, but they use their abundant (and free) geothermal power to split those H2O molecules.
over unity power...there are guys actually doing, its NOT impossible and its based on Tesla theories from 100 yrs ago...
Splitting water is basically electrolosis which has been going on for 100 yrs....and as Tesla said its not a unit of power its changing one mass into another so it has nothing to do with power ....
If man stopped when faced with something he thought was impossible we would still be gathered in a cave freezing.....
Wow fire on the mountain !....can we do that ourselves...impossible !
I build these units by hand and it will take me time to build one for you. I have not not yet worked out a price. I will be setting up a public demonstration that you can come and see how its done. Thank you for your reply and I will be emailing you back soon.
If and when this public demonstration happens I will be there with a video camera.
I do think there has to be an alternative to the inefficient combustion engines we are now hooked on. I want to see how to do it and not why it can't be done.
Today we are now sending voice and data wirelessly and through glass in the form of light pulses. This is a far cry from the first telephone (1860) or the radio (1893) and yet the automobile (1896) is still working on the same principles it did back then. No progress in the autoworld? hmmm You have to ask yourself why
Around 1973 there was an oil crisis and 35 years later we are not prepared because during those 35 interim years GM was giving you Hummers and SUVs and getting you hooked on fossil fuels. The government makes a king's fortune off the taxes and between big oil and government there is no money incentive to come out with anything new.
Be happy with your cell phones that bakes you a cake, satellite radio, digital high Def TV and know that you have them because there is big money in that crap. Check out the taxes on your bills. Ahh progress!
Posts: 3525 | Location: the MusictoyZ Chat | Registered: August 05, 2002
Here are my thoughts on the world today. Lower gas prices are not going to solve any problems. We need to make a big change and learn to live more efficiently and come up with new sources of power etc. The rest of the world needs to do this as well. Since a lot of jobs are going elsewhere these days, especially here in MI, I think the new technologies of "green" will be the future that could put a lot of people back to work. With this new tech and power sources comes all of the scammers that are making their living off of the hopes and fears of the public. I'm not saying that some of this stuff isn't possible but you have to sift through the bull to get to the real deal. The mail order $99.95 convert your car to Hydrogen power isn't the real deal but there are a lot of smart people out there that have some great ideas. Hopefully these new ideas won't get buried by the power and greed of others.
GEorge keep posting topics that are not gear oriented I for one love to read them.
IMHO one of the first solutions is to educate future generations that we can be happy with any transportation system as long as it is environmentally friendly.
My vote goes to electrical vehicles.. they can run longer distances, can be slower but can be made to run faster with more technology applied.
There are some new bycycle designs that also can be upgraded to be more comfortable and U.S. being so flat landed, I can see airconditioned tri-cycles...Solar energy also has such potential.
It's possible to enormously increase both the efficiency and horsepower of any gas vehicle with a biodiesel/hybrid conversion, right now. No scams, no billion-dollar R&D. Check this out:
I agree with George and to go a little further, after talking to an engineer, I believe that alternatives to oil DO EXSIST, it's just that the gov and car manufacturers are so greedy and stupid that they would rather have us deplete our current methods for energy and destroy civilization as we know it, than switch to a BETTER source of energy!!!!
Posts: 422 | Location: Glen Carbon, IL | Registered: June 01, 2002
Well, the Offshore Oil drilling moratorium has been lifted, so maybe we can drill our way out of the oil supply problem. NOT. Anyone old enough to remember the oil derrick blow outs and subsequent fouling of hundreds of miles of pristine Southern California beaches in the 60's? Yours truly does. I have more than a few Republican friends, and I wouldn't change that. Hard for me to fathom how a political party can so consistently be, let me search for a adequate phrase, let's try FLAT WRONG. Only a few years ago when the Bushies refused to up the mileage standard for American cars and especially SUV's. My buddies would put on Rush Limbaugh, who never met a SUV he didn't like. Then Rush would rail about the 'false data' behind global warming, and I argued with my friends about that. Then the Iraq invasion and my buddies were gung ho about that, I quote my friend directly "We're dropping the seeds of democracy". Well at least that did have some tangible results. Our good buddies, the Iranians have more influence than ever in the region, and radical Shites are in ascendancy. It must be tough to hold cherished Republican values of fiscal responsibility, love of country, traditional values, which I don't think should be scoffed at frankly, and try to explain one blunder after another. So I think the Dems are right on every issue? Excuse me while the laughter dies down, but I will say this, you 'Mericans that think the world revolves around us and we can go on spending BILLIONS per month being the world's police....Oh, and Rush really IS A BIG FAT IDIOT. Oh, and a druggie hypocrite too, you ever hear him rail about dope smoking hippies? Occasionally he would slur his insults due to the oxycontin. Standard bearer of conservatism, my ass.
Posts: 1249 | Location: San Francisco Bay Area | Registered: June 23, 2007
Originally posted by jaydee: Well, the Offshore Oil drilling moratorium has been lifted, so maybe we can drill our way out of the oil supply problem. NOT. Anyone old enough to remember the oil derrick blow outs and subsequent fouling of hundreds of miles of pristine Southern California beaches in the 60's? Yours truly does. I have more than a few Republican friends, and I wouldn't change that. Hard for me to fathom how a political party can so consistently be, let me search for a adequate phrase, let's try FLAT WRONG. Only a few years ago when the Bushies refused to up the mileage standard for American cars and especially SUV's. My buddies would put on Rush Limbaugh, who never met a SUV he didn't like. Then Rush would rail about the 'false data' behind global warming, and I argued with my friends about that. Then the Iraq invasion and my buddies were gung ho about that, I quote my friend directly "We're dropping the seeds of democracy". Well at least that did have some tangible results. Our good buddies, the Iranians have more influence than ever in the region, and radical Shites are in ascendancy. It must be tough to hold cherished Republican values of fiscal responsibility, love of country, traditional values, which I don't think should be scoffed at frankly, and try to explain one blunder after another. So I think the Dems are right on every issue? Excuse me while the laughter dies down, but I will say this, you 'Mericans that think the world revolves around us and we can go on spending BILLIONS per month being the world's police....Oh, and Rush really IS A BIG FAT IDIOT. Oh, and a druggie hypocrite too, you ever hear him rail about dope smoking hippies? Occasionally he would slur his insults due to the oxycontin. Standard bearer of conservatism, my ass.
Originally posted by Fleabiscuit: It's possible to enormously increase both the efficiency and horsepower of any gas vehicle with a biodiesel/hybrid conversion, right now. No scams, no billion-dollar R&D. Check this out:
My next door neighboor has two bio-diesel cars. They are neither more efficient nor do they have more horsepower than the standard diesel counterparts. They simply run on vegatble oil. It always smells like cheap (read that bad_ Chineese take out when he drives off! Right now he's able to get his 'dirty vegetable oil' for free, but you can bet if this takes off people will be lining up to pay for it.
So many pedals, so little time...
Posts: 3789 | Location: San Diego, CA USofA | Registered: December 19, 2001
Originally posted by Fleabiscuit: It's possible to enormously increase both the efficiency and horsepower of any gas vehicle with a biodiesel/hybrid conversion, right now. No scams, no billion-dollar R&D. Check this out:
My next door neighboor has two bio-diesel cars. They are neither more efficient nor do they have more horsepower than the standard diesel counterparts. They simply run on vegatble oil. It always smells like cheap (read that bad_ Chineese take out when he drives off! Right now he's able to get his 'dirty vegetable oil' for free, but you can bet if this takes off people will be lining up to pay for it.
That's a standard biodiesel convert. With the right know-how and easy-to-find parts, you can do pretty amazing things with mileage/horsepower , even on huge honking vehicles like Hummers. Check out the link in my previous post.
This is the Neil Young car...so actually this is on topic ?
Does that make sence ?
Bingo. This guy's done a couple of cars for Neil Young, iirc. Apparently he gets astounding results, and doesn't do anything Detroit couldn't do for an extra $200-300 per vehicle.
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