Fellow Tone seekers
I am lucky because I feel I am doing my final re-touching of my pedalboard.

Here is what I have and the way it is CHAINED.

GUITAR---Evidence audio cable(Lyric cables or Melody I am ordering as you read, the Lyric)

GUitar GOES INTO> 4 LOOPER(just ordering the 4 looper w/tuner mute)from loop-master

PEDAL ROUTINGS
LOOP 1: mxr flanger( THIS FELLOW JUST RULES I am surfing on flange waves of coolness) THis loop could have another pedal add to it... I need YOUR INSIGHTS.

LOOP 2: Delay(Md2 Guyatone) serves as ambience on clean melodies, don't use it that much anyway, It is off the sound chain mostly. and I HAVE an OCTRON (my pride and joy)

LOOP 3: VOx 847(I have been debating on getting a Wheels of FIre but I feel I can wait for a while)> Burris Booster[/B[B]]> Fireburst. By taken the WAH off the signal path I get the sweetest-creamiest lead sound. SO I am happy with that combination.

LOOP 4: pT999 pHASER > TS808 reissue overdrive

Love TS808 and the crunch it gives my amps.
I s there a better Overdrive than the TS808? One with better low frequency, mid frequency(detailed) and highs as good (not harsh). Ts808 has very good note separation and it is dynamic.

MY pedalboard sopunds REALLY GOOD, i just wonder if there is any PEDAL THAT IS ELUDING ME..

ANY GOOD DISTORTION pedal for Rhythms (could be used on the amps clean channel), a pedal with dynamics, that sounds 3-d in which you get complex harmnonics( your guitar's tone, good gain or crunch and your dynamics) like a RIVERA K-TRE KNUCKLE AMP tone?



IS THERE A PEDAL CAPABLE OF giving good CRUNCH ON MY AMP'S CLEAN CHANNEL???

NO MESABOOGIE TONES PLEASE!

Timmy. You can thank me later.

Jaydee Ive been reading alot about both the Tim and the Timmy.
Seems many prefer the Tim. Cqare to extrapolate...

Both made by Paul Cochrane of Heritage amps fame. Occasionally if you get lucky Toyz has them. The Tim is like a Timmy with the addition of a boost switch that kicks up the gain but is not a independant channel but only works to kick up the gain on the regular channel, and a effects loop that only comes on when you kick the pedal on. I have mine on my small pedalboard and a vintage Ibanez Analog delay is in the Tim's loop so whenever I kick it on for some leads the delay comes on with it. They are both very articulate or 'open' sounding OD's with out your usual pronounced mid hump and sounds more like an amp turned up rather than a overdrive pedal. The EQ works great on them as well and they stack well with other pedals. Paul designed it with a Strat into a Marshall in mind, but it works for a lot of different combos of gear. Reasonably priced too, around 125 for Timmy and 175 for Tim. Nanook had a problem with his Tim that was intermittent and Paul couldn't locate the problem. Rather than send the pedal back and say 'well I can't find the problem', Paul rebuilt the whole pedal so it was basically new. For free. Need I say more?

By the way, Nanook wasn't the original owner of the pedal, and Paul knew he wasn't the original owner and he still completely rebuilt it for free. You want to talk about someone who stands behind his product?

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Originally posted by jaydee:
Need I say more?

You said it all. What a great guy!

I prefer Timmy at the moment since it´s smaller (on my pedal board)
I haven´t been using the boost side of Tim. Tim has a effect loop which
is great if you want a delay to kick in when you stomp on the boost side.

But for stacking, as I do now, Timmy is the one I play with. Haven´t
done any live gigs with any of them yet so I´ll speak from a bedroom
playing point of view.

Timmys being somewhat hard to come by unless you want to pay 2x list on eBay, you might try an OCD—pretty flexible, great hair, plenty of cut through a band mix. You also might try sending your TS808 down to Robert Keeley to have it modded; his mods will add a bit more bottom-end and smooth out that midrange hump a bit. Also, he can convert it to true-bypass, which is a very good thing. I have a number of ODs and boosts now: OCD, Zendrive, Mosferatu, Xotic RC and AC, Jauernig Gristle King, Keeley TS808, etc. (and various Fulldrives and others that I've sold on eBay), but my favorite of the lot is currently the Clark Gainster, which is apparently out of production again. The Gainster is very transparent, very organic-sounding, plenty of gain for blues, useful tone control, excellent hair/harmonics. For the price (and maybe for any price) it's a tough pedal to beat--far better than even the Keeley-modded TS808, IMO.

I do not want to get a pedal that is redundant.

I already have a great Marshall (heavy-crunchy tone)
Already have a good lead tone.

Just wanted some insights from you at TOyz. Geez so far only a couple have responded, I will have to wait for more Toyz members advise.

Been looking at the Catalinbread Supercharge Overdrive.. the samples sound heavy and "I like it". COuld i get a different sound with it than my Marshall sound? OR is it redundant?


Still curious about the Box of Metal... it supposed to emulate the Rivera KTre monster amp.. anyone care to help me decide?????

you know rolo, maybe you're looking for more of a fuzz as opposed to an overdrive...some germanium thingy...fuzzface-ish...I love my Fuzzfactory but it aint for everybody...maybe go old skool with a Jimi RI Fuzz Face or a Big Muff ( possibly one of the Swwetsound variations?)...if your looking for just an alternate cowabunga overdrive...I've been happy with my OCD...get a Brown Rabbit ( or even a UltraRabbit...)...

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Originally posted by rologibson:
I s there a better Overdrive than the TS808? One with better low frequency, mid frequency(detailed) and highs as good (not harsh). Ts808 has very good note separation and it is dynamic.

For a Fender: Clark/Barber Gainster. For a Marshall: Xotic AC.

quote:

Originally posted by rologibson:
IS THERE A PEDAL CAPABLE OF giving good CRUNCH ON MY AMP'S CLEAN CHANNEL???

For a Fender style amp: Take a look at the Jetter Gain Stage pedals. Purple, Gold, or Black depending on how much crunch you want and what volume you play at.

For a Marshall style amp: MI Audio Blues Pro, ZVEX Box of Rock, or Fulltone OCD for a nice medium crunch. If you want heavy crunch, see my comments below on the SCOD. And If you want really huge distortion and crunch, flirting on the precipice of "Muff" wall of sound, try a Skreddy Top Fuel.

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Originally posted by rologibson:
Been looking at the Catalinbread Supercharge Overdrive.. the samples sound heavy and "I like it". COuld i get a different sound with it than my Marshall sound? OR is it redundant?

This is one of my oldest and most loved pedals, and I use it with a Plexi style amp. It does impart a slightly different flavor (think Orange or Laney). Wonderful pedal with a Marshall style amp.


V

I want to express my gratitude for all the "good hearted advise".

If i could I would buy all of the given choices, but I live in a far, far away land. Beyond Shrek's Castle.

I never knew iT WAS POSSIBLE to get a high gainish-Eric Johnson lead sound out of a fuzz. But I found it, with my Booster hitting pretty hard my DIamond Fireburst.

I love HEndrix fuzzy and crazy stuff, but prefer violin lead tones
(guess I am a classical melody freak..) I wish my guitar could sound like a cross between a cello and a Stratovarious violin)

Thanks Murph eventually i must try more Fuzzes when I go to U.S.A...

Thanks JAydee, Nanook and Fleabiscuit, seems the Timmy is a special pedal, worth trying it for leads.


VAN
Now you have me wondering on the Skreddy Top FUel...(you are killing me)

With all due respect I am not impressed by most overdrives found today, like the Skreddy Screwdriver (I have only listen to the web"s samples.. so opinion is way limited)

However the TOp fuel.. I have not found any sample.

I like heavy but hate muddy or the common low end modern tones that take away all the other sonic spectrum our beloved guitars.

I like to able to tweak to "my own taste" so my question is: Can the Skreddy crunchiness be tweaked and sound like another amp with dynamics and chord definition?

Or is the SCOD a more tweakeable pedal?

you mentioned that the SCOD can sound like a Laney.. then did you meant as heavy as Tony Iommi's Laney sound?

Again it feels very nice to have " A little help from my friends"(Joe ****er singing at Woodstock came into my mind)DAMN THE FORUM TAKES THAT DUDE'S NAME AS A BAD WORD..

ANyway, I SEND YOU GUYS POSITIVE THOUGHTS AND "FRIENDSHIP LOVE".. DAMN WE latins are a bunch of soft douchbags..I don"t drink beer (got to keep the female hormones at a low count)

I am happily married..(SEE, THAT IS WHY I rather PLAY GUITAR!.. guitars rarely cause DIVORCES),


yeah the BABE PICS ARE ALL "THE ESCAPING" I GET TO DO.. but when you have found LOVE there is no point in throwing it out for any other babe.... so.. WHAT THE BLOODY HELL! my drifting thoughts..... ahh just answer my questions VAN


I WISH WE COULD TALK ABOUT LIFE ISSUES SOME MORE with you GUYS... BUT IT SEEMS THE DISTANCE TAKES ITS TOLD.

I 'VE GOT A NEW BABY COMING STILL ON FIRST MONTH PREGNANCY..(NOT ME! MY WIFE!!!) maybe all this fuzz is a man's last hurray gear hunt for a couple of years!!

( man I need a hug right now... NO!! NOT FROM YOU LLC members! from a bunch of Hot chicks!!)
By the way I feel very proud to consider myself an honorary member of the LLC club.


oH WELL I await your responses. remember to advise me VAN...... seems you are the most heavy oriented player.. other guys are mostly PANSIES.. especially JAckButler ----- Love to end a long post hitting on Jack My love to Jack, he knows I mean no harm....

I wonder what pedal Jack would advise me on getting???

Congrats!!!!!! my honorary MOFO internet friend!!! nice to know the wood is for more than show! ...you know you should check out Guitar player TV (online...www.guitarplayertv.com maybe?) there is a video on using pedal and amp comination s to get diff sounds(clean channel more pedals, dirty channel fewer pedals...etc) and one of them is Eric Johnson...Fuzzface and Butler tube driver if I remember...w/lots of delay...)...
...and as far as being a pansie...as a hairdresser I've been called WAY worse!

...oh yeah, and deffinitly buy what you think you need now...cause the party is soon over!
hopefully you will get more respect than me form your young...

To put them in a nutshell:

- Top Fuel = Pink Floyd, Mementary Lapse of Reason / Division Bell.

- SCOD = Tony Iommi.

V

MURPHY THANKS MAN... AND funny photo. You have all my respect though so at least there is ONE fan in Latin America.


YEs VAN! That is all I needed to know...

I am taken the plunge with a big smile,

THANKS VAN and thanks to all I will report when

I will get my SCOD and tweak it to taste.

A note on the SCOD: it does not like Blackface amps. Although it does need a little headroom. Generally speaking, if your amp likes fuzz pedals it should like the SCOD. If your amp turns to mush under a fuzz signal, look at something else.

It does well with a Marhsall style amp that has some headroom, and I've read that it does well with Mesas.

Not a pedal for the faint of heart. You have been warned.

V