the new mooted 'house arrest' law that Charles Clarke wants to bring in?

personally I want to fight it tooth and nail.

I am fucking sick of this Government.

I want them dead.

Seriously.

Jack Straw presents a fucking 200 page dossier on why the USA should NOT attack Iran?

Can you say 'ELECTION CAMPAIGN'??

Because Jack Straw doesn't know what EVERY OTHER **** knows; that the USA will sponsor Israel to attack Iran, right?

He doesn't know that.

No.

Of course not.

His fucking dossier is written IN FUCKING GOOD FAITH and NOTHING to do with pre-election/post Iraq damage-limitation. No.

Then today we have front-pages about global warming scares.

Why?

Why the timing?

*ask me, go on!*

Well, it wouldn't have anything to do with the impending opportunity for Blair (pre-election/post Bush's ****-sucking) to blow a FUCK-LOAD of hot fucking air about how he's going to single-handedly defeat global warming (whilst not even meeting his OWN fucking standards on pollution).

No.

And now the ****s want to be able to lock any fucker up who looks at them funny.

Better lock me up then.

****s.

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Originally posted by ScreamingBlackTerror:
I am fucking sick of this Government.

I want them dead.

Seriously.

Jack Straw presents a fucking 200 page dossier on why the USA should NOT attack Iran?

Can you say 'ELECTION CAMPAIGN'??

Because Jack Straw doesn't know what EVERY OTHER **** knows; that the USA will sponsor Israel to attack Iran, right?

He doesn't know that.

No.

Of course not.

His fucking dossier is written IN FUCKING GOOD FAITH and NOTHING to do with pre-election/post Iraq damage-limitation. No.

Then today we have front-pages about global warming scares.

Why?

Why the timing?

*ask me, go on!*

Well, it wouldn't have anything to do with the impending opportunity for Blair (pre-election/post Bush's ****-sucking) to blow a FUCK-LOAD of hot fucking air about how he's going to single-handedly defeat global warming (whilst not even meeting his OWN fucking standards on pollution).

No.

And now the ****s want to be able to lock any fucker up who looks at them funny.

Better lock me up then.

****s.

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I feel your pain.

If only people had realized that 'Bringing democracy to Iraq' entailed abandoning democracy at home ...

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Originally posted by EvilGuitarMonke:

quote:

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Originally posted by ScreamingBlackTerror:
I am fucking sick of this Government.

I want them dead.

Seriously.

Jack Straw presents a fucking 200 page dossier on why the USA should NOT attack Iran?

Can you say 'ELECTION CAMPAIGN'??

Because Jack Straw doesn't know what EVERY OTHER **** knows; that the USA will sponsor Israel to attack Iran, right?

He doesn't know that.

No.

Of course not.

His fucking dossier is written IN FUCKING GOOD FAITH and NOTHING to do with pre-election/post Iraq damage-limitation. No.

Then today we have front-pages about global warming scares.

Why?

Why the timing?

*ask me, go on!*

Well, it wouldn't have anything to do with the impending opportunity for Blair (pre-election/post Bush's ****-sucking) to blow a FUCK-LOAD of hot fucking air about how he's going to single-handedly defeat global warming (whilst not even meeting his OWN fucking standards on pollution).

No.

And now the ****s want to be able to lock any fucker up who looks at them funny.

Better lock me up then.

****s.

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I feel your pain.

If only people had realized that 'Bringing democracy to Iraq' entailed abandoning democracy at home ...

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And also abandoning democracy in Iraq.

The unfortunate thing is the lack of realistic opposition.

Go democracy!

Democracy = freedom.

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Originally posted by Ace Spadely:
The unfortunate thing is the lack of realistic opposition.

Go democracy!

Democracy = freedom.

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Well I'm mucking-in with the Libs this time.

Even if I have to stand on the corner wearing a sandwich board.

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Originally posted by ScreamingBlackTerror:
Well I'm mucking-in with the Libs this time.

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Same here. F uck Blair.

I'm genuinely stumped as to who to vote for.

Maybe if I'm drunk I'll vote for the Green Party.......

I post political shit very often, yet I have never voted, and probably will never vote.

I will however shit on Thatcher's grave.

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Originally posted by atheist17þ:
I post political shit very often, yet I have never voted, and probably will never vote.

I will however shit on Thatcher's grave.

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Vote Green or Lib as a personal favour to me and I'll send you a present of some description.

Promise.

I'm not privy on details here, but I do know that democracy is not synonymous with "everyone gets what they want."

Democracy is a system of majority rule; inevitably, the minority is, at many points, going to be disatisfied with the choices of the majority...

(Again, I remind you that I know not the specifics of that which you speak of )

they have the Queen.
they need no more

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Originally posted by danrounds:
I'm not privy on details here, but I _do_ know that democracy is not synonymous with "everyone gets what they want."

Democracy is a system of majority rule; inevitably, the minority is, at many points, going to be disatisfied with the choices of the majority...

(Again, I remind you that I know not the specifics of that which you speak of )

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communism is the only way

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Originally posted by danrounds:
I'm not privy on details here, but I _do_ know that democracy is not synonymous with "everyone gets what they want."

Democracy is a system of majority rule; inevitably, the minority is, at many points, going to be disatisfied with the choices of the majority...

(Again, I remind you that I know not the specifics of that which you speak of )

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OK, I accept that you didn't really know what we were talking about, so I won't judge your insight too harshly.

Basically the government has proposed a new law that will allow them to place anyone under a form of house arrest, with no use of a telephone, no right to legal representation, no right to know the reason for the house arrest (for the detained person or anyone else) and no obligation to commit the individual to trial. In my opinion that isn't really about democracy or the wishes of the majority. It seems to me that the government could simply arrest anyone 'in the interests of nationa security' and effectively take that individual out of circulation for life, without any legal recourse. What is to stop a leader from using that power to keep his political opponents out of the democratic process?

I'd be interested in your opinions on this.

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Originally posted by EvilGuitarMonke:

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Originally posted by danrounds:
I'm not privy on details here, but I _do_ know that democracy is not synonymous with "everyone gets what they want."

Democracy is a system of majority rule; inevitably, the minority is, at many points, going to be disatisfied with the choices of the majority...

(Again, I remind you that I know not the specifics of that which you speak of )

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OK, I accept that you didn't really know what we were talking about, so I won't judge your insight too harshly.

Basically the government has proposed a new law that will allow them to place anyone under a form of house arrest, with no use of a telephone, no right to legal representation, no right to know the reason for the house arrest (for the detained person or anyone else) and no obligation to commit the individual to trial. In my opinion that isn't really about democracy or the wishes of the majority. It seems to me that the government could simply arrest anyone 'in the interests of nationa security' and effectively take that individual out of circulation for life, without any legal recourse. What is to stop a leader from using that power to keep his political opponents out of the democratic process?

I'd be interested in your opinions on this.

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You fail to address the serious & genuine security problem that exists in Europe, and Spain and England and France specifically. Why you dolts haven't exported those Muslims back to where ever just shows how little you really love your own countries and their citizens. You want the rule of law to extend to folks who have no regard for the law, or those who don't abide by them.
Talk about freedom all you want, but there is a difference between establishing/securing freedom within a nation and the rightful, legal expression of liberty, and coddling murders and killers and evildoers who have no valid use for freedom except as a means to express their crimes in the name of socalled liberty. You think Labour doesnt know that the menace is real? They know more than you.

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Originally posted by Big Star:


You fail to address the serious & genuine security problem that exists in Europe, and Spain and England and France specifically. Why you dolts haven't exported those Muslims back to where ever just shows how little you really love your own countries and their citizens.

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Oh fuck yourself with a wire brush you tiresome racist.

This is about detaining BRITISH CITIZENS under house arrest, not your desire to rekindle the attitudes of Justin the Martyr and Torquemada.

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Originally posted by ScreamingBlackTerror:
I am fucking sick of this Government.

I want them dead.

Seriously.

Jack Straw presents a fucking 200 page dossier on why the USA should NOT attack Iran?

Can you say 'ELECTION CAMPAIGN'??

Because Jack Straw doesn't know what EVERY OTHER **** knows; that the USA will sponsor Israel to attack Iran, right?

He doesn't know that.

No.

Of course not.

His fucking dossier is written IN FUCKING GOOD FAITH and NOTHING to do with pre-election/post Iraq damage-limitation. No.

Then today we have front-pages about global warming scares.

Why?

Why the timing?

*ask me, go on!*

Well, it wouldn't have anything to do with the impending opportunity for Blair (pre-election/post Bush's ****-sucking) to blow a FUCK-LOAD of hot fucking air about how he's going to single-handedly defeat global warming (whilst not even meeting his OWN fucking standards on pollution).

No.

And now the ****s want to be able to lock any fucker up who looks at them funny.

Better lock me up then.

****s.

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Jack Straw's a twat.

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Originally posted by EvilGuitarMonke:

quote:

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Originally posted by Big Star:


You fail to address the serious & genuine security problem that exists in Europe, and Spain and England and France specifically. Why you dolts haven't exported those Muslims back to where ever just shows how little you really love your own countries and their citizens.

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Oh fuck yourself with a wire brush you tiresome racist.

This is about detaining BRITISH CITIZENS under house arrest, not your desire to rekindle the attitudes of Justin the Martyr and Torquemada.

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not all Muslin hatemongers are non-citizens oh imperialist one.
- check beneath that stone heart of yours for the Saudi Arabian who hates your culture, your country - but gladly lives there to plot its demise..chickens coming home to roost on your nation's Legacy of Death.

- you probably suck Castro's pole believing the socialist dream will spluge forth - all you get is salty habana cum. grow up, be a man, be a true citizen - defend your nation!!!


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